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"Pretty exploitive I think, and rather ironic."
That would be the insincere efforts of one posting here, whose self-described "work" provides image and example for the lessons of abusing, degrading and harming women.
From Commenter: Pony
2007-04-13 18:12:31
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You know what is IRONIC? Renegade has a picture on her blog at the top of a post bitching about Melisa Farley. That picture is of a magazine cover. Now Renegade, honey, the women on that magazine cover did not give you permission to use it on your blog. Yet you used it anyway. Did you get their permission? Ya, I didn't think so.
You're tiny little argument, originally designed to make feminists feel bad for posting pictures of porn without victim consent is now, well, kinda moot.
So before you go getting your - -DELETED - - about those mean and nasty feminists, take a look in the mirror. Sometimes you gotta use an image to make a point. Even YOU do it!
Oh the hypocracy.
Seriously.
From Commenter: well
2007-04-13 23:09:36
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Ren says - "And no one needs to tell me how people are treated once branded a whore. I know. Your feelings cease to exist in the eyes of other people...and not just men"
Sorry renegade but now we have the "poor little whore mememe games" you are well enough known by now for us to have seen this ---oh - how many times now. STOP trying to derail radical feminists work!
You are totally transparent - except to your little Foot Soldiers that is.
From Commenter: LauraLytlle
2007-04-14 17:29:58
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Hello again...
Betsy Warrior, you are mistaken when you say I am abused. I am not. I am a masochist, I am an exhibitionist. I ENJOY the sensation of pain during intimacy, and I like high intensities of pain. As it is desired, its in no way abuse. Being a model on my friends BDSM website wasnt abusive either; it was empowering and liberating. I could BE a sexual free being, in the style that was true and authentic for me.
Yes, the plight of trafficked women and forced women is terrible. That doesnt mean all porn should be banned, it means we should go after traffickers.
Chain
From Commenter: Chain
2007-04-14 20:04:54
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Listen, all am I asking is that you all ponder the thoughts of the women whose images you are using. Why is that such a horrible thing to ask?
In any event, I've had enough, really. Ask a question, get attacked. Seen it before, I'm sure I'll see it again.
From Commenter: RenegadeEvolution
2007-04-15 00:51:12
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Doing just that is one of the mandates of radial feminism. At any rate, the question was answered before you ever posed it, which is why we don't believe you, and in fact, I for one am becoming embarrassed for you.
"{...ponder the thoughts of the women whose images you are using."
In response to comments by survivors of torture and other sexual abuse, we have placed a warning and additional link to the photograph of kink.com torture. Traffick Jamming visitors can now choose if and when they look at the photographs.
Please DO look at the photographs, which are not owned by the people depicted, but by the torturers.
As long as the only people who see these and others like them are the torturers and torture and pornography consumers, women haters, abusers and traffickers win, because ordinary people will not see what pornography is really about.
"Listen, all am I asking is that you all ponder the thoughts of the women whose images you are using. Why is that such a horrible thing to ask?
In any event, I've had enough, really. Ask a question, get attacked."
Your question was answered earlier - what you did NOT do is answer why you felt justified creating such a stink against anti-porn feminists to use the images when you yourself used the exact same ones, also without asking their consent.
So in order to avoid explaining yourself for doing the exact same thing, you play 'the sympathy card'. Your tactics grow tiresome and very, very predictable.
RE says -"In any event, I've had enough, really. Ask a question, get attacked. Seen it before, I'm sure I'll see it again."
Renegade - well we don’t even ‘ask questions’ and we get attacked post after post after post on your blog. In fact, you give a hugely disproportionate amount of energy to just doing that --- attacking radical feminists.
I looked on the site, and I agree with Lucy on one point, I believe a major one: They feature interviews with the girls, who say how much they liked being bound, gagged, and humiliated, reinforcing an already too-dominant stereotype about women liking abuse. The producers may be enlightened about the difference between real and "game" abuse, but it's a pretty safe bet that many of the consumers are not. One study on MSNBC recently showed that a large percentage of the internet porn audiences are adolescent boys. What are they taking away from their views of kink.com?
In addition, much of the world's population are victims of real abuse, and to dress up and play off the torments of the suffering as an internet party game is extremely insulting to those who have actually endured these degrading assaults in real life.
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Kink.com comments continued:
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"Pretty exploitive I think, and rather ironic."
That would be the insincere efforts of one posting here, whose self-described "work" provides image and example for the lessons of abusing, degrading and harming women.
From Commenter: Pony
2007-04-13 18:12:31
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You know what is IRONIC? Renegade has a picture on her blog at the top of a post bitching about Melisa Farley. That picture is of a magazine cover. Now Renegade, honey, the women on that magazine cover did not give you permission to use it on your blog. Yet you used it anyway. Did you get their permission? Ya, I didn't think so.
You're tiny little argument, originally designed to make feminists feel bad for posting pictures of porn without victim consent is now, well, kinda moot.
So before you go getting your - -DELETED - - about those mean and nasty feminists, take a look in the mirror. Sometimes you gotta use an image to make a point. Even YOU do it!
Oh the hypocracy.
Seriously.
From Commenter: well
2007-04-13 23:09:36
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Ren says - "And no one needs to tell me how people are treated once branded a whore. I know. Your feelings cease to exist in the eyes of other people...and not just men"
Sorry renegade but now we have the "poor little whore mememe games" you are well enough known by now for us to have seen this ---oh - how many times now. STOP trying to derail radical feminists work!
You are totally transparent - except to your little Foot Soldiers that is.
From Commenter: LauraLytlle
2007-04-14 17:29:58
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Hello again...
Betsy Warrior, you are mistaken when you say I am abused. I am not. I am a masochist, I am an exhibitionist. I ENJOY the sensation of pain during intimacy, and I like high intensities of pain. As it is desired, its in no way abuse. Being a model on my friends BDSM website wasnt abusive either; it was empowering and liberating. I could BE a sexual free being, in the style that was true and authentic for me.
Yes, the plight of trafficked women and forced women is terrible. That doesnt mean all porn should be banned, it means we should go after traffickers.
Chain
From Commenter: Chain
2007-04-14 20:04:54
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Listen, all am I asking is that you all ponder the thoughts of the women whose images you are using. Why is that such a horrible thing to ask?
In any event, I've had enough, really. Ask a question, get attacked. Seen it before, I'm sure I'll see it again.
From Commenter: RenegadeEvolution
2007-04-15 00:51:12
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Doing just that is one of the mandates of radial feminism. At any rate, the question was answered before you ever posed it, which is why we don't believe you, and in fact, I for one am becoming embarrassed for you.
"{...ponder the thoughts of the women whose images you are using."
Pony
2007-04-15 13:17:04
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Posted by: webmaster | April 15, 2007 02:00 PM
In response to comments by survivors of torture and other sexual abuse, we have placed a warning and additional link to the photograph of kink.com torture. Traffick Jamming visitors can now choose if and when they look at the photographs.
Posted by: melissa | April 15, 2007 03:59 PM
Please DO look at the photographs, which are not owned by the people depicted, but by the torturers.
As long as the only people who see these and others like them are the torturers and torture and pornography consumers, women haters, abusers and traffickers win, because ordinary people will not see what pornography is really about.
Posted by: Pony | April 15, 2007 05:22 PM
"Listen, all am I asking is that you all ponder the thoughts of the women whose images you are using. Why is that such a horrible thing to ask?
In any event, I've had enough, really. Ask a question, get attacked."
Your question was answered earlier - what you did NOT do is answer why you felt justified creating such a stink against anti-porn feminists to use the images when you yourself used the exact same ones, also without asking their consent.
So in order to avoid explaining yourself for doing the exact same thing, you play 'the sympathy card'. Your tactics grow tiresome and very, very predictable.
Posted by: stormy | April 15, 2007 05:33 PM
RE says -"In any event, I've had enough, really. Ask a question, get attacked. Seen it before, I'm sure I'll see it again."
Renegade - well we don’t even ‘ask questions’ and we get attacked post after post after post on your blog. In fact, you give a hugely disproportionate amount of energy to just doing that --- attacking radical feminists.
Posted by: lauraLytle | April 15, 2007 05:48 PM
I looked on the site, and I agree with Lucy on one point, I believe a major one: They feature interviews with the girls, who say how much they liked being bound, gagged, and humiliated, reinforcing an already too-dominant stereotype about women liking abuse. The producers may be enlightened about the difference between real and "game" abuse, but it's a pretty safe bet that many of the consumers are not. One study on MSNBC recently showed that a large percentage of the internet porn audiences are adolescent boys. What are they taking away from their views of kink.com?
In addition, much of the world's population are victims of real abuse, and to dress up and play off the torments of the suffering as an internet party game is extremely insulting to those who have actually endured these degrading assaults in real life.
Posted by: Kevin | April 15, 2007 11:28 PM